Present Notes:
On this episode of SLP Espresso Discuss, Hallie Sherman discusses her shift from utilizing reward techniques to fostering intrinsic motivation amongst her college students. She shares early experiences with gumball machines and speech {dollars}, which led to unintended points like competitors and even stealing. Realizing the restrictions of extrinsic rewards, Hallie emphasizes the worth of serving to college students discover private which means in speech periods. She gives sensible methods for connecting classes to college students’ lives, encouraging SLPs to deal with rapport-building over conventional prize-based motivation.
Here is what we discovered:
- Reward techniques can backfire, resulting in competitors and conduct points.
- Intrinsic motivation creates longer-lasting engagement in college students.
- Tailoring periods to college students’ pursuits will increase relevance and affect.
- Storytelling and real-life connections assist college students see the worth of speech objectives.
- Constructing rapport is more practical than counting on materials incentives.
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00:01:59 Hallie: Welcome to SLP Espresso Discuss, the podcast designed completely for speech language pathologists who work with older college students, grades 4-12. I’m your host, Hallie Sherman, your SLP behind Speech Time Enjoyable, the Speech Retreat Convention, and the SLP Elevate Membership.
00:02:14 Hallie: And I am thrilled to convey you conversations, methods, and insights that gives you the jolt of inspiration that you simply want. Whether or not you are tuning in throughout your morning commute, on a break in between periods, and even throughout a well-deserved rest time, I’m right here for you each week. Let’s do that, SLPs.
00:02:39 Hallie: Hey, hey, and welcome to a different episode of SLP Espresso Discuss. This week, you simply have me, however that’s okay. We’re going to be speaking all about why I don’t use and why I don’t suggest utilizing reward techniques. You may nonetheless inspire your older college students with out bribing them. And whether or not you’re employed with youthful ones, this could apply to you as properly.
00:03:01 Hallie: So earlier than I get into why I do not and what I like to recommend doing as an alternative, I need to inform you just a little story about after I first grew to become a younger SLP. I used to be so excited to lastly have a reward system of my very own. Nobody telling me what reward system to make the most of, what prizes to offer out. I used to be mature, and I used to be my very own SLP with my very own job, and I can do no matter I wished to do.
00:03:26 Hallie: So I had this wild and loopy thought to make use of gumball machines. I used to be working with elementary college students, and I made a decision to create gumball machines with building paper that I laminated crimson and blue. I feel crimson was the highest and blue was the underside. I feel I traced a design that I discovered someplace. After which I used enjoyable tech and bingo chips because the gumballs. In the event that they bought 10 gumballs, they bought a prize.
00:03:52 Hallie: I spent tons of cash on prizes from like oriental buying and selling, and I used to be so excited to have a prize bin, just a little treasure field of my very own. Let me additionally put the disclaimer in that this was earlier than Lecturers Pay Lecturers, and I can not draw. So you may think about how lovely these gumball machines have been that I spent hours making nonetheless.
00:04:15 Hallie: However they have been my very own. I put them on a bulletin board that I had at the back of the room, and I used to be simply enthusiastic about it. After each session, I’d give the scholars their gumball, and I discovered myself taking a lot day out of the session to offer these gumballs out. They wished to place them on the gumball machines.
00:04:34 Hallie: Just like the transition to go away the room and the following group coming in, it grew to become just a little bushy, scary, and chaotic. And I used to be additionally spending tons of cash on prizes as a result of, , we’ve got giant caseloads, and these youngsters earn their 10 tokens, their 10 gumballs, fairly quick. Even after one session, 10 periods, that is twice, see them two, thrice per week. I used to be giving out prizes as soon as a month, twice a month. It was including.
00:05:02 Hallie: And bear in mind, I used to be a model new SLP, nonetheless residing at house with my mother and father. I should not be spending that form of cash. Anyway, however I stored on going as a result of that is what I believed I needed to do. I used to be taught in graduate college, and my scholar instructing placement, you give out prizes, you’ve gotten youngsters earn issues, that is simply what you do. I did not know there was something different choices.
00:05:23 Hallie: The next 12 months, I bought a job with fifth and sixth graders. I had a a lot bigger caseload, and I did not have sufficient gumball machines made at this level. And I used to be like, I feel gumball machines could be just a little bit immature for this age group. Sensible transfer, fairly correct. And I simply did not really feel like making them once more, so I made a decision to attempt one thing completely different. I made a decision to have speech {dollars} and have college students earn $10 to get a prize.
00:05:49 Hallie: I discovered a picture of a greenback invoice on the web. Once more, pre-Lecturers Pay Lecturers, and I let college students adorn their wallets the primary day of speech, which I used library pockets that I bought from a trainer provide retailer. And I positioned all 65 of those wallets on my wall. I believed this was the most effective thought on the planet. I’ll train them about cash expertise, math, it is purposeful, and they will get $10 to get a prize.
00:06:19 Hallie: The scholars wished to earn cash, so after a number of weeks, I used to be like, okay, that is going to work. However then, after a number of weeks in, I noticed this concept was not essentially going to work. The scholars began complaining that their cash of their wallets had gone lacking. College students have been stealing from one another.
00:06:41 Hallie: Sure, you heard that accurately. College students have been taking cash out of, whereas I used to be giving them cash on the finish of the session they usually have been placing it of their wallets, they have been taking cash out of different college students’ wallets and including it to their very own wallets.
00:06:54 Hallie: I used to be spending my periods as a detective. I didn’t have the bandwidth or the quantity of eyeballs to watch for thieves and decide who was being truthful or how a lot cash they need to have had right now, on high of juggling 65 college students on my caseload and having to prep for the following following session.
00:07:15 Hallie: So, this cash, speech greenback, pockets factor, though it was nice in concept and extra age acceptable, it was not going to work. After this reward system failed me, I noticed I needed to both discover one other system or simply throw it out altogether. It made me suppose just a little bit. Do my college students actually need rewards to take part? That is after I began desirous about intrinsic and extrinsic motivation.
00:07:44 Hallie: Right here I’m, giving them cash, giving them prizes. I am utilizing exterior, extrinsic motivation. I am mainly telling them, hey, take part, work onerous as a result of I mentioned so, and in case you accomplish that, I’ll reward you. A lot of the college students, it was working for them. Different college students have been stealing from one another and getting pissed off by it.
00:08:04 Hallie: And another college students simply did not even care. They’re like, give me the cash, , they usually have been preventing me and being combative with me at, finish of periods after I instructed them they did not earn their cash. Once more, it is a full waste of time. So not all of them actually even cared concerning the prizes or {dollars}. So I am simply one of many prizes for not taking part.
00:08:27 Hallie: And bear in mind, I solely had them a few times per week for half-hour. And if loads of my session was preventing them over, hey, you need to work for a greenback, however they do not actually care about working for a greenback, or preventing over how a lot cash they need to have of their wallets right now.
00:08:42 Hallie: Did somebody steal from them? I do not bear in mind. This was giving me a headache and I wanted to get them to be intrinsically motivated. However how can I present them that studying is useful to them? How can I present them that studying may be enjoyable? How can I present them that they are often profitable with me? How can I present them that what we’re doing is related to their world?
00:09:09 Hallie: Classroom academics needn’t bribe them on a regular basis to get them to take part. Sure, generally they’ve some reward techniques and this and that, however in addition they use grades on a report card as a motivator. We do not have that luxurious. We want a distinct strategy. We have to explicitly train them and never be afraid to speak about it usually. Why are they there? Why is that this necessary to them?
00:09:33 Hallie: And that is the place you should use routines and guidelines and expectations are available. You may present them what to anticipate after they come into your speech room. That after they are available, that is how they should behave. That is how they should sit. That is how they should take part. In order that they are often profitable in your speech room. In order that they are often profitable within the classroom. In order that they are often profitable of their actual life world outdoors of even college.
00:10:00 Hallie: That’s the reason it is so necessary for us to be taught our college students’ pursuits and their objectives and desires and visions of their life in class and what they need to obtain and outdoors of college. Possibly college isn’t motivating to them. Possibly they need to make a sports activities crew or check out for a play or get a sure job.
00:10:19 Hallie: We are able to incorporate these issues into our periods to make it extra related to them, make it extra motivating to them, and present them how, what we’re doing goes to learn them. After they see that, after they get these fast wins, after they can see these connections to their world and the way it could possibly be necessary to them, we not want a prize bin. We not want to make use of extrinsic motivation.
00:10:46 Hallie: We are able to get them to be motivated internally. We are able to get them to need to take part, to see the worth of taking part. They usually can see the outcomes for themselves. After they can depart our speech room and use the abilities that they inherited in our room outdoors of our closet partitions, that is going to inspire them.
00:11:07 Hallie: However we have to usher in and present them simply by way of tales, by way of role-playing, by way of modeling, by way of demonstrating how what we’re doing goes to learn them outdoors of our partitions. So usually our aim is carryover. Utilizing a prize bin isn’t going to make sure a carryover. Getting them intrinsically motivated and exhibiting how they use the methods outdoors of our speech room goes to make sure carryover.
00:11:33 Hallie: So usually we wrestle with the right way to train the academics the right way to incorporate these methods and immediate them the precise means. How about we train our college students the right way to advocate for themselves outdoors of our speech room? How that, after they ask for assist, after they ask for clarification, after they hear for key phrases, after they chunk info into smaller items in order that they will realize it and achieve success, that is going to inspire them.
00:11:59 Hallie: Versus we do not have all that point in our day to get in contact with each single trainer of each single scholar, particularly within the center college and highschool after they have 9 completely different academics they’re working with. We’ve got the scholars in entrance of us. So how can we use the scholars in entrance of us to indicate them how, what we’re doing goes to learn them outdoors of our speech room?
00:12:21 Hallie: Possibly share tales about issues which can be difficult for you and the way you overcame some challenges. Possibly making use of to grad college or getting a job or possibly a time once you have been a toddler once you did not make a sports activities crew. Discuss these situations with them. Present them that you are a real-life person who has struggles too.
00:12:41 Hallie: And your college students may also profit from studying from one another and studying that they are all on this collectively and have all completely different strengths and weaknesses they usually all need various things outdoors of the speech room in class and in life, however they will all get worth and advantage of being within the speech room.
00:12:58 Hallie: We all the time need to guarantee that our actions are related and motivating, and by doing this stuff, it would not have to require loads of preparation. It may possibly actually be a narrative time or an anecdote to start with of the session or simply the way in which you introduce or conclude the session and telling them, hey, have you ever ever heard your trainer say this? Or hey, once you’re on the soccer discipline and your coach says this, that is how you should use this factor that we simply practiced. That is going to inspire them.
00:13:28 Hallie: In order I depart you right here in the present day and I depart this episode with you, I hope you’re realizing that in case you’re feeling pissed off, overwhelmed, or simply questioning why your prize bin or bribery is not working, suppose in another way on how you’re motivating your college students.
00:13:45 Hallie: How are you going to get them extra intrinsically motivated? How are you going to get them to need to take part? How one can get them to need to be there versus you rewarding them since you mentioned so.
00:13:58 Hallie: That is the distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic. Extrinsic is we mentioned so, so it’s important to. I do not learn about you, however after I was a child, that will make me shut down. I used to be that form of defiant child. A few of our college students, we inform them what to do, nope. You have to get them to need to do it.
00:14:15 Hallie: And we’ve got that functionality, taking the time to make these connections, construct that rapport, studying about our college students, studying about their wishes. It is a lot extra necessary than that knowledge assortment. I promise you that as a result of in case you’re spending most of your time preventing them over a prize and bribery, it isn’t going to work.
00:14:34 Hallie: All proper? So bear in mind, connection over knowledge assortment, and you do not want a prize bin to get them motivated. You will get them intrinsically motivated, and they are going to be so excited to work with you. They’re going to see a lot worth in it, they usually’ll be disenchanted once you’re not there.
00:14:52 Hallie: All proper, I all the time finish my episodes with a joke. This week is not any completely different. What did the little corn say to the mama corn? The place is popcorn? All proper, everybody, till subsequent week, keep out of bother. And in case you like this episode, ensure you inform a good friend about it.
00:15:11 Hallie: Ship a screenshot. Let different SLPs learn about this podcast since you sharing and getting the phrase out about this podcast is how extra individuals learn about it, extra individuals get impressed, and extra individuals get that jolt of inspiration that you simply want.
00:15:24 Hallie: I prefer to preserve this episode brief and candy, a brief commute value, one thing that you may hearken to whereas doing laundry, driving to work, consuming your lunch, no matter. So till subsequent week, everybody, keep out of bother.
00:15:41 Hallie: Thanks a lot for tuning in to a different episode of SLP Espresso Discuss. It means the world to me that you simply’re tuning in each week and getting the jolt of inspiration you want. You could find all the hyperlinks and knowledge talked about on this episode at my web site, SpeechTimeFun.com. Do not forget to comply with the present so you do not miss any future episodes.
00:16:05 Hallie: And when you’re there, it will imply the world to me in case you would take a number of seconds and depart me an trustworthy overview. See you subsequent week with one other episode filled with enjoyable and inspiration from one SLP to a different. Have enjoyable, guys.
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