Present Notes:
On this episode of SLP Espresso Speak, Hallie chats with Karin Hartunian Koukeyan—a speech-language pathologist with 28 years of expertise and founding father of SpeechFit—a few matter that may shock you: public talking. Karin shares her winding SLP journey from bilingual baby interpreter to telepractice pioneer to non-public apply proprietor, and dives into why SLPs are uniquely geared up to assist shoppers (and colleagues!) overcome public talking anxiousness. From IEP conferences to father or mother nights to actual property displays, this dialog is full of sensible methods, an eye-opening take a look at communication teaching as a service providing, and a reminder that it is by no means too late to paint outdoors the strains in your profession.
Here is what we discovered:
- Public talking anxiousness impacts as much as 90% of individuals—and SLPs are uniquely geared up to assist.
- The pause is your strongest instrument. Say one thing, let it land, and resist the urge to fill the silence.
- Frameworks and scripting practice the mind to speak extra confidently—whether or not it is an IEP assembly or an enormous presentation.
- Breath work, visualization, and role-playing are go-to methods for taming nerves earlier than and through a chat.
- Including dialogue to a narrative immediately makes it extra participating—strive it together with your center and excessive schoolers too.
- Communication teaching is an actual and viable non-public apply providing for shoppers who want help however do not qualify for conventional companies.
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00:00:57 Hallie: Welcome to SLP Espresso Speak, the podcast designed solely for speech language pathologists who work with older college students, grades 4 by means of 12. I’m your host, Hallie Sherman, your SLP behind Speech Time Enjoyable, the Speech Retreat Convention, and the SLP Elevate Membership, and I am thrilled to carry you conversations, methods, and insights that will provide you with the jolt of inspiration that you just want. Whether or not you are tuning in throughout your morning commute, on a break in between classes, and even throughout a well-deserved rest time, I’m right here for you each week. Let’s do that, SLPs.
00:01:36 Hallie: Hey, hey, and welcome to a different episode of SLP Espresso Speak. In the present day, we’re speaking a few matter that you just won’t have considered relating to being an SLP, and all about public talking. And I’ve a visitor right here who’s gonna be speaking all about it. So, Karin, welcome to the present.
00:01:53 Karin: Thanks a lot for having me, Hallie.
00:01:55 Hallie: Inform everybody listening just a little bit about your self and your SLP journey to what you’re doing now, and the way it pertains to the subject we will be speaking about.
00:02:04 Karin: I’ve truly been an SLP for 28 years. Each time I give it some thought, I cringe just a little. I got here to this as a result of as a child rising up, I used to be in a bilingual house, or truly multilingual house. My mother and father have been first era immigrants, or I am truly a primary era immigrant, however I discovered to talk English tremendous early watching Sesame Avenue. It was fascinating as a result of I used to be like translating for my mother and father as a kiddo. After which I had cousins who could not communicate my native language, which is Armenian, and I used to be translating for them. So I used to be like, okay, and making an attempt to show them tips on how to say the sounds, like tips on how to say sure sounds that we do not have in English. And so I used to be like a seven 12 months previous form of being just a little speechy, and I did not even understand it.
00:02:46 Karin: Quick ahead to varsity, I liked individuals, I wished to work with individuals, I knew that a lot. I majored in psychology, liked it, however then I truly took a coaching on a suicide hotline, and that simply terrified me a lot. I used to be like, oh my gosh. I can not do that. However anyone advised taking a linguistics class or a phonetics class, and I simply fell in love. This was my space, and the remainder is historical past.
00:03:16 Hallie: I like that.
00:03:17 Karin: Yeah, no, it was actually nice. My SLP journey has been just a little bumpy. I feel quite a lot of us have that bumpy journey. However I began off desirous to do a CF that taught me the whole lot. Man, that 12 months virtually like did me in. And I’ve discovered since then with our Fb teams that I am not alone. We did not have that form of help again then. There was no social media, so you actually did really feel such as you have been the one one on this planet that was like, do I actually need to do that?
00:03:49 Karin: You already know, these first IEP conferences have been so onerous. I felt like I used to be consistently being thrown underneath the bus earlier than that was a factor. My directors, my colleagues, it was so onerous, and no one ready me for that. I used to be like, I am only a candy little particular person making an attempt that can assist you, and why are you being so imply?
00:04:09 Hallie: [crosstalk]. Why are you throwing me underneath the bus?
00:04:12 Karin: And I ended up being within the colleges initially. I liked it, and I truly was doing center college earlier than I had my very own youngsters. Youngsters terrified me. I do know your specialty is older college students, so I simply needed to throw that in there. Once I had my very own youngsters, I used to be like, oh, my God, I like working with youngsters as a result of they are not so scary. I’ve an 18-year-old and a soon-to-be 21-year-old, and I am like, whoa, I did it. I like working with older college students.
00:04:44 Hallie: What has been your favourite setting, age group, in your profession so far?
00:04:49 Karin: I ended up going into telepractice pre-pandemic. That is been form of like just a little facet specialty as nicely. That was a kind of issues the place I made a decision I did not need to work. I had the privilege of taking a few years off. However I had associates consistently asking me for recommendation, and I used to be like, man, I am freely giving all this without spending a dime. Associates and associates of associates. Then it occurred in 2010, I obtained an advert asking if I wished to strive on-line remedy. I used to be asking my husband, is that this like a phishing rip-off? Am I going to lose my checking account? What is going on on right here?
00:05:28 Karin: It ended up being one of the best path much less traveled by that I jumped in and I attempted it and have become a teletherapist and just about have achieved that. I began my very own non-public apply final 12 months, so late in my profession. I need to encourage all people that’s questioning, is it too late? Is it this? Is it that? It’s by no means too late. It was my timing. Since I’ve achieved that, I’ve gone again to doing hybrid. I am doing just a little little bit of this and just a little little bit of that, Hallie.
00:05:59 Hallie: I like that.
00:06:00 Karin: I’m doing just a little little bit of– [crosstalk]
00:06:00 Hallie: [crosstalk]. You are able to do something.
00:06:03 Karin: Precisely. And I like that. I like that I work with adults which can be professionals that need public talking. I am working with little two-year-olds that aren’t placing two phrases collectively. I am additionally working with some youngsters. I like it a lot. I am one in all these those that I can not do one factor on a regular basis. It has been an incredible journey.
00:06:26 Hallie: I like that. You talked about public talking. We’ll be speaking about that right here immediately. How did you get into that route and realm?
00:06:34 Karin: I had been doing… truly throughout my little profession break, which does not really feel like a real profession break, once I had youngsters, my daughter was in a preschool and by some means we obtained to speaking to the director. I ended up doing a public talking/accent modification program for the entire lecturers there. It was so rewarding. It was additionally the primary time I began to essentially understand how vital that’s for people that aren’t really communication dysfunction labeled. However public talking, we use it on a regular basis.
00:07:12 Karin: So I began there. It was a kind of issues the place it was a confidence builder for the lecturers. Once more, this dynamic between educators and oldsters. Mother and father will be scary. The mother and father have been mainly very involved in regards to the mannequin that the lecturers have been offering for his or her kiddos. And so my job was to assist make their communication stronger, extra competent. It began there. I’ve had it as a facet hustle as I’ve grown as an SLP. It has been fascinating as a result of it is come and gone and it is developed.
00:07:50 Karin: I’ve discovered that it’s extra about – it is form of began off within the accent modification realm/public talking and expanded from there as a result of I’ve seen how vital it’s. I can not imagine and I can not let you know what number of SLPs and really our sister fields too, college psychologists. I’ve had college psychologists method and say, mother and father terrify us. We’re purported to do displays for these mother and father and we do not know the place to start out.
00:08:18 Karin: Individuals are so comfy in our subject being skilled to work one-on-one with kiddos, one-on-one with mother and father. That will get just a little bit scary, however talking in entrance of a father or mother on father or mother evening or presentation, very, very scary. And I did not understand the impression of this and who finest to assist than an SLP, a speech pathologist. So public talking is definitely technically a social anxiousness dysfunction. It falls underneath the label of hysteria in these diagnostic books, however I firmly imagine that speech pathologists are very nicely geared up to assist.
00:08:57 Hallie: I’d by no means suppose that. Share just a little bit about among the approaches and methods that you have supplied for others that may assist somebody listening desirous to assist in their world.
00:09:06 Karin: It is a mixture of methods the place you’ll be able to discuss frameworks. Frameworks virtually like scripting, however you observe a sure organized vogue. So, once more, it depends upon if you wish to learn to be extra comfy to speak impromptu at an IEP assembly, which is a unique ability set than a presentation that you’d current in entrance of an viewers.
00:09:33 Karin: So, once more, frameworks assist with each truly, as a result of as soon as your mind is skilled to observe a sure method of speaking, it simply turns into simpler. The best, I feel only takeaway that I’ve discovered is the pause. And by pause, I imply you communicate a sentence and you then pause, you let it land. We’re so skilled to only form of fill the silence, preserve gabbing, kind of form of rambling as a result of we’re nervous. But additionally mother and father and your viewers simply must pay attention and perceive what you are saying.
00:10:08 Karin: So methods like that, but additionally some individuals bodily have a response. And so like engaged on issues like breath work to form of regulate your physique. There’s been even celebrities which have been identified to take beta blockers. I feel the Golden Globes was on just lately. By the point this airs, it’s going to in all probability be like just a few months from now. However I used to be shocked even actresses have public talking. There was an actress that went up there. She was undoubtedly like referencing, I ought to have gotten my beta blockers, however I did not.
00:10:42 Karin: So individuals use that, nevertheless it’s not for everybody. And never everybody needs that, proper? So it is simply, you already know, regulating your nerves. There’s issues like visualization. If you’ll do a chat in entrance of an viewers, I like to enter that vacant room and simply form of get a lay of the land simply being there standing in entrance and… it is empty chairs. However should you’re in a position to do the presentation, they’re nice. Lots of people suppose simply write the whole lot down and skim it. Studying shouldn’t be one of the best, only method. So yeah, so there’s a lot. There’s so many methods and it form of depends upon what you are searching for.
00:11:21 Hallie: I am positive you do some like function enjoying, particularly for like an IEP assembly or having to have like a tough dialog that somebody’s nervous about, like getting ready for all of the totally different eventualities that might occur. Like virtually like what we might do with our social abilities college students, proper?
00:11:36 Karin: Precisely. I do quite a lot of function enjoying with every kind of pros and I wish to faucet into precisely what they are going to be speaking about. So yeah, with SLPs, IEP conferences is primary. Mother and father that do quite a lot of pushback. In fact, we have got like your typical mother and father that do not need dismissal. They need to simply proceed or they need to enhance speech to 5 occasions a day, twice a day, you already know, all of these tough conversations that we have been actually not ready after we graduate. I have never actually seen a complete lot of that coaching in grad colleges persevering with to occur.
00:12:15 Hallie: Talking of which, the place did you find out about this? And like have been there any analysis articles, skilled improvement? How did… or did you simply trial and error? How did you determine?
00:12:24 Karin: Yeah, there’s undoubtedly analysis that helps it. And like I stated, it form of falls underneath the psychology umbrella. Nonetheless, it was just a little little bit of trial and error. And what I seen was I liked working with accent modification once more as a result of I grew up on this multilingual house. It simply got here so naturally to me. Like I wished to assist individuals communicate higher. Prefer it or not, accent modification has develop into tremendous controversial in our subject. There’s quite a lot of issues that develop into very controversial and so they have their seasons.
00:12:55 Karin: What I seen as I studied accent modification, there’s truly a e book written by one in all our colleagues, Bob McKinney, you already know, tips on how to work on accent modification. However quite a lot of it is vitally just like public talking. It has to do with the place you set your emphasis in your phrases, these tremendous segmentals, quite a lot of work on vowels.
00:13:17 Karin: In order I began to form of take into consideration this, I am like, this isn’t any totally different. And actually, anyone with an accent, we do not need to utterly change who they’re. So I began reevaluating all of that and getting some suggestions simply from shoppers and realizing it isn’t the accent. Sure, you’ll be able to substitute TH for T and, you already know, voiced TH for D and sound just a little bit higher. Nevertheless it’s extra about the place you are placing your pause. It is about intelligibility, ensuring your communication associate understands you often. Like should you put the stress of a phrase. You already know, we’ve got so many phrases in English which can be spelled precisely the identical method, content material. After which should you change the stress, content material, we alter the that means.
00:14:04 Karin: And so I began to form of discover these issues and realized, you already know, it is extra what public talking is. It is emphasis, it is pausing. After which quite a lot of these individuals, and it is only a individuals downside. It is like, there’s analysis that claims it is about 75% of the inhabitants, nevertheless it could possibly be upwards of 90%, that they undergo from public talking anxiousness, mainly. So it is a very, quite common downside. Mark Twain even stated, there are solely two varieties of audio system on this planet, the nervous and the liars.
00:14:37 Hallie: Love that. Love that. In terms of anxiousness, what can anxiousness actually interrupt? Like what are the consequences of hysteria? Are you able to go into that just a little little bit of the way it can impression audio system and simply individuals typically?
00:14:48 Karin: Anxiousness can creep up on you so that you just utterly neglect what you are saying, may utterly black out. Or you find yourself like studying off of what you could have, like possibly you’ve got prepped and also you’re simply studying, and also you’re probably not connecting together with your viewers. So it is a missed alternative, mainly, the place you are making an attempt to say one thing, you could have one thing actually worthwhile to say your experience, it simply goes by the wayside.
00:15:14 Karin: However it could actually manifest bodily. Like I stated, it could possibly be like upwards to the purpose the place anyone would have like an anxiousness or panic assault. Or it may simply be to the purpose the place they simply black out and so they do not bear in mind what they stated. They don’t seem to be within the second, primarily, after they’re speaking.
00:15:31 Hallie: Are you able to share a hit story with out like getting too many particular particulars of one thing that simply stands proud in your thoughts of a shopper that you just labored with and what they have been in a position to overcome after working with you?
00:15:43 Karin: Yeah, completely. So I’ve a shopper who truly labored with people, and I do work with individuals outdoors of SLPs, too. So this explicit shopper is an actual property agent, and he or she recognized herself as an introvert. However she additionally would get extraordinarily anxious when she would want to talk to sure varieties of her shoppers. And so we talked about that. And he or she needed to go do a presentation for older shoppers like seniors.
00:16:13 Karin: We talked about how vital it’s to form of know your viewers. Consider it or not, once more, as SLPs, we take it with no consideration what we all know. She hadn’t realized that she must take note of the listening to impaired, the truth that there is perhaps cognitive decline, that she must not solely pause for them to grasp her message, however maybe as a result of they’re slower, they are going to want longer to course of. Once more, all these items that come so, so naturally to us as SLPs, and he or she was so grateful to be taught that.
00:16:45 Karin: There’s one other approach, too, that’s tremendous efficient, and that is using dialogue. So you may inform the identical story and simply kind of narrate, like we inform our kiddos. You already know, narration, inform the story, first, second, subsequent, final, proper? However you do not put any dialogue in there. Now inform the identical story, however insert some dialogue. And the impression of that story is so highly effective, and it utterly adjustments. I’ve began utilizing this with my excessive schoolers, with my center schoolers. If you’re doing a narrative, retell, use dialogue. So these two issues have been simply so impactful for her. She was so grateful. I feel she ended up getting some extra shoppers due to it.
00:17:27 Hallie: And it is so fascinating, since you stated, you already know, we all know this as SLPs. However even us as SLPs, us giving displays, our nerves and anxiousness and other people looking at you can also make you neglect these issues that we all know are true.
00:17:40 Karin: Precisely.
00:17:41 Hallie: And I like it. You talked about like center college and excessive schoolers, they’re making displays in school and so they can profit from these methods as nicely.
00:17:49 Karin: Yeah, and I feel it is a disgrace that we do not have the power to qualify college students for this, as a result of I see this. You already know, I labored at a highschool by means of teletherapy within the fall, form of filling for anyone that was on a depart. And that is a complete different episode, proper, like working over teletherapy at a brick and mortar college. That’s onerous. So these, I really feel such as you actually do want to only actually attain in by means of the monitor and actually join with them.
00:18:22 Karin: Nevertheless it’s about what connects to them inside, proper, of their soul. And so quite a lot of these mother and father may inform that their kiddos wanted one thing. And it is that presentation within the classroom piece that they can not fairly get, however they do not actually qualify on paper anymore. They do not qualify on the triennial. And I do not know. It simply can be so good if we may discover a method to assist these youngsters, as a result of proper across the nook is there… possibly a job interview in the event that they need to get a job in highschool, however then additionally school after which once more, job interviews there, or interviews or presenting themselves in order that they can not get into school or alternatives, every kind of alternatives.
00:19:07 Karin: We now have a era that is develop into so used to only DMing. They do not need to decide up the cellphone and speak. They need to textual content. They do not need to talk. They do not even need to name to order their pizza. Truly, quite a lot of shops have give up even providing that. I attempted to order dinner final evening. And the message stated, as a consequence of excessive demand, we might recognize should you simply order on the app. I am like, oh, nice.
00:19:33 Hallie: It is so true. I bear in mind once I was first beginning within the colleges in highschool, and the children have been leaving my room to go to the toilet to name and order their lunch. Now they will simply do it the day earlier than from house on the app and have it delivered at a particular time. So there’s so many issues that they do not want. However at the same time as you are speaking, my daughter is presenting tomorrow in her TED Talks membership, and we’ve got to apply tonight. And I will use a few of these methods to show her tips on how to put together for her speech.
00:19:58 Karin: Oh, wonderful.
00:19:59 Hallie: And, you already know, in fact, within the colleges, you need to work with everybody. And we will not, however that is the good thing about a non-public apply. You’ll be able to provide communication teaching as a service.
00:20:11 Karin: Precisely. And that is what led me to this, you already know? As a result of colleges are the bread and butter, and hopefully they are going to be for a very long time, regardless of funding and cuts. Having that non-public apply has given that chance. Now I’ve mother and father, in fact, phrase of mouth is, once more, one of many strongest methods, however there are mother and father which can be realizing, oh, my gosh. You do that. I might love so that you can work with my kiddo who’s going to do that presentation. So typically we work for simply a short while. A whole lot of occasions, it is simply a few weeks right here and there.
00:20:42 Karin: However yeah, I imply, it is a season of their life. After which as soon as they know they will take that, quite a lot of these… I do know from my daughter’s associates, there’s youngsters that it comes naturally to them, identical to it got here naturally to their mother and father. Possibly they’re in speech and debate, they do all these items, and so they get this. However there’s the children which can be terrified to even join speech and debate. So how are they going to get these alternatives? How are they going to be taught? And so yeah, having a communication teaching program or a communication coach for a brief time period, undoubtedly could possibly be helpful for these people.
00:21:17 Hallie: Anybody listening, should you’re making an attempt to construct a non-public apply, do one thing totally different on the facet, and you do not need it to be the identical as your, you already know, regular on a regular basis stuff, like being… fascinated with reaching out to actual property brokers, reaching out to varsities saying, hey, if there’s any youngsters fighting this. I like that. What recommendation would you give to somebody who’s now intrigued and desirous to be taught extra and wanting to supply this service for his or her shoppers?
00:21:42 Karin: I’d love a dialog with this particular person. They’ll attain out to me. I do provide some one-on-one teaching on tips on how to even construct this sort of facet hustle, so to talk. I additionally encourage anybody listening, no matter stage you are at, it isn’t too late. Do begin exploring issues should you’re not completely happy the place you are at. I additionally love to inform early profession professionals, classes discovered, do not stay in your lane, and make sure to coloration out of the strains at times. It does not serve you to all the time keep in your lane and keep throughout the strains, that is for positive. And I discovered that with quite a lot of ache. So I do not need others to have that too.
00:22:24 Hallie: I like that. The place can everybody be taught extra about you and the whole lot you need to provide, reminiscent of your teaching and stuff?
00:22:30 Karin: You could find me on Instagram, speechfitslp. I even have an internet site, speechfitslp.com. I am additionally on LinkedIn underneath my identify, Karin Hartunian Koukeyan, in addition to my firm identify, SpeechFit. So yeah, I sit up for connecting with people.
00:22:46 Hallie: And we’ll have hyperlinks to the whole lot within the present notes, so to not fear. Okay. I all the time finish my episodes with a joke, so I figured why not do one about, you already know, one thing associated to this. Why did the coed carry a ladder to speech?
00:23:06 Karin: Gosh, I do not know.
00:23:08 Hallie: As a result of they have been making an attempt to take it to the following stage.
00:23:11 Karin: Oh, good. Yeah, I like it.
00:23:14 Hallie: Badum ching, guys. I used to be making an attempt. It is what ChatGPT got here up with. I stated, give me a joke about, you already know, public talking.
00:23:23 Karin: You gotta love ChatGPT. Obtained quite a lot of humorousness.
00:23:27 Hallie: Thanks, Karin, a lot for sharing a subject that we have by no means mentioned earlier than. And I feel so many individuals are in all probability having their wheels turning. As a result of I’ve so many individuals reaching out to me saying, you already know, I am fascinated with beginning a non-public apply, any suggestions. That is simply one other providing that folks can make the most of, whether or not it’s on the facet or to construct their non-public apply. So thanks a lot for bringing this new alternative into everybody’s forefront and making everybody extra conscious of what various things that we are able to work on with our college students, and even simply totally different clientele typically. So thanks a lot.
00:23:57 Karin: Yeah, thanks for having me, Hallie. Respect it.
00:24:00 Hallie: And till subsequent week, everybody, keep out of hassle.
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