Present Notes:
Prepare for an inspiring dialog with Hylan Noble Landthorn and Nikki Rosner Jacobs, the powerhouse duo behind The Mentorship Collective! With over 24 years of mixed expertise as speech and language pathologists, they’re on a mission to assist and empower the following era of SLPs.
Because the founders of WordsMyWay, a play-based, child-led speech remedy follow, Hylan and Nikki consider in connection, creativity, and personalised care. After years of mentoring clinicians by fellowships and day by day follow, they noticed the necessity for deeper assist—and that’s how The Mentorship Collective was born.
On this episode, they share how they’re redefining mentorship to assist new SLPs develop with confidence, professionalism, and goal—so that they don’t simply survive their fellowships, however really thrive.
This is what we realized:
- Grad faculty teaches concept, however CFs need assistance translating it into versatile, real-time decision-making
- Supervision ≠ mentorship; CFs want house for questions, reflection, and development
- Confidence grows by guided problem-solving, not having all of the solutions
- Sturdy mentorship reduces stress, overwhelm, and early burnout
- An open, growth-oriented mindset helps CFs study quicker and thrive long-term
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00:00:00 Hallie: Hey there SLP buddies, is Hallie right here, popping in with the very best information ever. My new ebook, Secondary SLP Roadmap is formally accessible. In case you’ve ever wished for a transparent, sensible information for working with center and highschool college students, that is it. It’s filled with actual tales, prepared to make use of methods and instruments you should use immediately. Seize your copy now. Examine the hyperlink within the present notes or search Secondary SLP Roadmap on Amazon. After which in fact, please do me a favor. If you end up studying it, snap an image and tag me on Instagram @speechtimefun. I really like seeing the place you are diving in. The speech room, the sofa, ready in a health care provider’s ready room, all of the locations. All proper, prepared? Go seize your copy and let’s make secondary speech really feel doable and enjoyable.
00:00:58 Hallie: Welcome to SLP Espresso Discuss, the podcast designed solely for speech language pathologists who work with older college students, grades 4 by 12. I’m your host, Hallie Sherman, your SLP behind Speech Time Enjoyable, the Speech Retreat Convention, and the SLP Elevate Membership. And I am thrilled to convey you conversations, methods, and insights that will provide you with the jolt of inspiration that you simply want. Whether or not you are tuning in throughout your morning commute, on a break in between classes, and even throughout a well-deserved rest time. I’m right here for you each week. Let’s do that SLPs.
00:01:39 Hallie: Hey, hey, and welcome to a different episode of SLP Espresso Discuss. Are you a brand new SLP? An SLP that may use some little additional assist? ACF? Possibly you are a supervisor and needing assistance on understanding how to try this? I do know you guys are gonna love my friends, plural, right here right now. Hello guys, welcome to the present.
00:02:02 Hylan/Nikki: Hello. Good day, thanks for having us.
00:02:04 Hallie: I’ve the Mentorship Collective right here, the 2, the duo. Why do not you guys introduce yourselves to everybody listening?
00:02:11 Hylan: We’re completely happy to do it. So we’re the mentorship collective. I’m Hyland and that is Nikki. I am going to let you know somewhat bit about me after which I am going to flip it over to Nikki. However yeah, we’re so excited to be right here, Hallie. Thanks a lot for having us and we love your web page. We love following you and we love the way you assist SLPs. And that’s our objective as nicely for the Mentorship Collective is we really love and are so captivated with serving to any profession degree of an SLP, whether or not you be a scientific fellow, a brand new grad, a graduate pupil, you are going right into a management function, perhaps you are opening up your individual firm and also you’re hiring therapists and also you’re wanting to construct a mentorship system there. In supporting therapists change into their finest therapist self basically and serving to them develop and offering training and helps to how that can assist you achieve success, lower burnout and simply maintain you in our area as a result of we want you. So we’re actually excited to be right here.
00:03:05 Hylan: I met Nikki a few years in the past in San Diego. I presently dwell in San Diego and we additionally personal our personal non-public follow as nicely, along with the Mentorship Collective. And I used to be very lucky sufficient to work with Nikki for a few years after which our path form of grew from there. So I am going to form of flip it over to Nikki to offer some information about that.
00:03:24 NIkki: Yeah, the way in which that we ended up creating the mentorship collective is, Hylan and I truly helped open a follow and we grew that follow from simply the 2 of us to over 24 clinicians throughout two states. And that was over a six 12 months span. So it was very thrilling. We had as scientific fellows at one time that began over a interval of three months. And from that, we realized what helps had been working, what wanted to be adjusted and what was actually serving to our scientific fellows thrive. And all of their buddies saved asking like, perhaps Nikki and Hylan may educate us. Possibly we want a Nikki and a Hylan to assist us get to that subsequent degree for our previous our CF and actually really feel assured strolling into their first years. And that is the place Hylan and I had dreamed of making this firm.
00:04:09 NIkki: And that is the place we actually realized rather a lot about mentorship and tips on how to assist assist new grads, tips on how to assist assist mentors assist new grads. And that is the place the whole lot form of grew. And now we’re actually working by serving to scientific fellows. We’re working one-on-one with scientific fellows who’ve elected to work with us, in addition to a mentorship program that Hylan said that we’re working with an organization to enter their very own mentorship program of their non-public follow. So it is very, very thrilling.
00:04:40 Hallie: I really like that. I’ve by no means had my very own CF working with me. I’ve solely labored with grad college students, however I’ve undoubtedly observed over time, the graduate college students I labored with had been leaving, I do not wish to say much less assured. It was only a completely different readiness or like, and had nothing to do with me after which nothing. I used to be simply, what have you ever guys seen over time?
00:05:03 NIkki: We discuss this rather a lot. The switch of concept to precise scientific work will be very tough. And now now we have this complete system the place we Google and we use the web. And so it form of stops the essential pondering piece of studying what goes proper and what goes improper and what to do when issues go improper. So we discover plenty of scientific fellows who come and so they begin simply do not understand how to take a look at a toddler and see the place they’re having issue and tips on how to get to that subsequent degree. And people are the items that basically create the foundations for being a therapist.
00:05:37 NIkki: Nobody’s ever gonna know the whole lot. None of us know the whole lot. I believe all three of us can confidently say we go into classes like, that was a difficult one. What am I gonna do subsequent? And in order that essential pondering piece will be actually tough to go from what the speculation of what we wish to do for therapy is to when that does not work. What do you do when the factor you taught, you had been taught in grad faculty would not work the way in which in the actual world? And what is the subsequent step there too?
00:06:05 Hylan: We discovered that like there’s plenty of black and white pondering nonetheless. And plenty of what we do in pediatrics, as you understand, is within the grey as a result of it is individualized for each youngster. And so there’s not a textbook or a particular expertise that may assist information you in what you do. You simply have to know these scientific reasoning abilities, like Nikki mentioned. And in order that’s why now we have created applications to supply all of these challenges or to problem scientific fellows in that manner to assist assist their pondering, no matter what youngster they’re working with, age, prognosis. It would not matter should you perceive tips on how to strategy a toddler and to assume critically and to assume flexibly, then you definitely will be profitable with any consumer. And that is one thing that grad faculty, even should you had the very best supervisors within the nation, I assist assist a graduate program as nicely and do my finest to assist graduate college students.
00:06:56 Hylan: However it’s simply, it comes with expertise and it comes with extra mentorship and extra assist in your scientific fellowship and past. And sadly we do not have entry to that. Or oftentimes when folks go into their scientific fellowship, their supervisor could possibly be great, however they’ve restricted time to assist them due to their very own restrictions, as you understand, and the necessities for them. And in order that’s the place we wish to present that supplemental, form of fill that hole in that piece to offer them the steerage, the essential pondering abilities, and basically a roadmap to achieve success. As a result of we’re discovering that that is the place plenty of SLPs or youthful SLPs are getting very burnt out and really pressured and pondering, I do not know if this profession is for me. And should you really feel assured in your scientific abilities, then you may deal with all the opposite stuff that is thrown at you however you have to really feel assured in your scientific abilities first.
00:07:45 Hallie: I might love your recommendation even for like grad supervisors which might be working with these grad college students which might be about to embark on the world. What issues can they make certain they’re attempting to do extra of or much less of to assist these grad college students enter into the SLP world feeling assured?
00:08:04 NIkki: I really like that query. I believe that might be an exquisite shift to form of take into consideration as an alternative of planning classes or perhaps there’s a plan and now hastily the plan has modified proper earlier than a session. And what does that graduate pupil do when their plan that they’d had not is in a position for use in a session? As a result of we all know that as therapists, planning is one thing that you are able to do in your mind, however it’s a must to be so versatile should you stroll in, as a result of most of our plans do not go to plan.
00:08:34 NIkki: And now we have to have the ability to assist the kid. And I believe that grad faculty does an important job of educating how to take a look at construction inside a session. However what do you do when that construction would not work? How do you modify it? So if they’ve them go in with no toys, what do you do? How do you’re employed with none flashcards? What do you do when the toy that you simply had is damaged?
00:08:56 Hallie: It is not working.
00:08:58 NIkki: Yeah.
00:08:59 Hallie: The photocopying machine’s damaged. Like the entire issues that basically may go down.
00:09:02 NIkki: Yep. And the way will we work by that feeling for that youngster who was upset, who wished to perhaps play with one thing that turned on and it would not. And people are the items which might be going that can assist you discover ways to modify with out panicking in the actual world. As a result of that is an actual world factor the place you stroll right into a session and we work out tips on how to assist the kid with out all of that extra time and planning. And that does not translate. So that might be my advice is to vary the plan proper earlier than the session and assist them perceive how to do that with out panicking.
00:09:36 Hallie: I really like that. I do know folks that I’ve spoken to have a tough time realizing that the CF continues to be a job. As a result of they go from grad faculty the place they’ve a supervisor to their CF the place they’ve a supervisor. However this time it is such as you’re truly although employed. I used to be nonetheless anticipated to know and do and go and have these job expectations. What would you say to somebody listening who’s, know, as a result of now we have plenty of new grads that graduated in December who’re beginning their CFs proper now which might be feeling like, oh my goodness, I am not able to work or like, I would like somebody proper subsequent to my aspect this entire time. Like, what would you say to that particular person in the event that they had been proper in entrance of you?
00:10:22 Hylan: I might inform them that it begins along with your mindset and having an open mindset versus a closed mindset. That is the primary advice that we attempt to to coach SLPs on is being open to the truth that you are not going to know the whole lot. You will make errors Errors and being uncomfortable is how we develop. Stress makes diamonds, proper? And know going into this that it’s going to be exhausting and you’re going to be okay. And that’s the reason now we have created an area to additionally present that supplemental assist. Mentorship, now we have one-to-one mentorship trainings and now we have a complete program and roadmap devoted to offering this recommendation.
00:11:00 Hylan: As a result of not solely is it vital so that you can be open minded to the recommendation and suggestions of your supervisor and perceive their communication fashion and your communication fashion and know that you’re not going to know the whole lot, nor ought to you understand the whole lot, nevertheless it’s additionally vital to study the tender abilities. So having the ability to collaborate along with your fellow SLPs, understanding tips on how to ask questions, understanding tips on how to present up and simply exhibiting up, understanding that generally that’s all you may give is simply being there that day, getting off the bed and exhibiting up and having enjoyable along with your shoppers.
00:11:36 Hylan: In case you are having enjoyable along with your shoppers, if you’re partaking and you might be prioritizing connection and engagement, and you might be prioritizing having an open mindset and open conversations and open to receiving that reward of suggestions, as a result of we consider that suggestions is really a present. It’s important to have that to develop then you’re going to be nice. And it’s scary, it’s exhausting, however something scary, something exhausting normally means it is value it as a result of these are the issues in life that problem us and make us higher.
00:12:05 Hylan: And I all the time inform new grads, consider the entire hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of SLPs earlier than you that acquired by this time and have now discovered our niches and are thriving on this profession and we would not do the rest. Nonetheless, we did must undergo some occasions that had been tough, however you do not have to do it alone. You now are in an age the place you might have entry to a lot nice assist, together with your web page, Hallie. So many people wanting that can assist you thrive. so open mindset, exhibiting up, having that optimistic outlook and reaching out to your sources for help.
00:12:41 Hylan: You understand, I additionally inform folks this, that it is you might have a selection on daily basis. You possibly can select to realize entry to assist or you may select to purchase extra espresso or you may select. Or each. Precisely. Or each. However you might have a selection as a result of it is on the market. You understand, after we had been doing our scientific fellowships and after we had been early profession SLPs, we didn’t have the entry to the entire assist that our new grads have now. So make your life simpler. Entry the assist. Put money into your self. You might be your best funding. And we will all most likely attest to this too, nobody else goes to put money into you. They’re simply not. They may say they’re. They may say that they are going to put money into you and offer you entry to CEUs and all this stuff.
00:13:24 Hylan: 9 occasions out of 10, that does not all the time work out. It’s important to maintain your self. So, you understand, we actually encourage grad college students in these methods to be simply open to the entire assist and actually benefit from it and know that this world wants you. There’s such a spot for you.
00:13:40 Hallie: Love that. I really like that. The proof is there. There’s so many individuals in. Sure, it is so true. And it’s a must to advocate for your self as a result of nobody else will. What would you say to somebody who’s anxious that their colleagues, admin, dad and mom that they are working with will see proper by them? Like, oh, they do not know what they’re speaking about form of factor.
00:14:00 NIkki: I believe that they I might inform them to pause and to actually have a look at the info. Is that one thing that they’re discovering they’re getting suggestions? Somebody’s offering that suggestions to them. And if that’s the case, what are the info? What’s that particular person truly saying versus what the narrative they’ve created of their mind is as nicely? As a result of we do have a behavior of making plenty of narratives of what is going on nicely, what’s not going nicely. And it is sometimes centered on us. What’s our piece as the primary character in our plot strains? And oftentimes what we will do is pause after we’re feeling that and as an alternative shift our focus to the kid.
00:14:33 NIkki: What does the kid want? What is the youngster lacking? What do I really feel like I must do to regulate for the kid? By taking the main target away from ourselves and beginning to concentrate on the kid, it will offer you a mission. And that is actually the place our focus goes to be finest served. And so I believe should you’re feeling that you are feeling it is shaky along with your admin crew, it is shaky with the dad and mom, they may know that you’re a newer clinician. You needn’t inform them you are a more recent clinician. That is one thing that we see rather a lot is, nicely, I am a brand new clinician. You needn’t divest that data, there is no purpose to state that as a result of what you might be is a model new clinician who got here out able to work and able to assist these kids.
00:15:11 NIkki: So what are you going to do versus serious about the entire issues that you simply’re unable to do? It is actually like Hylan mentioned, it is a mindset shift. The extra that you concentrate on, I am nervous, I am not prepared for this, another person can do it higher. You are going to discover cases that show that. Whereas should you show I am right here, I went to grad faculty, I am able to study, I am asking questions and I wish to assist these children, you are going to discover info that enable you to show that you’re there and also you are supposed to be an SLP.
00:15:39 Hallie: And I used to be requested for like an entire move, like 5 years into my profession. like I nonetheless appear like I used to be a brand new clinician. I no matter. But in addition even like I used to be questioned by folks that weren’t SLP. And I needed to arise for myself and say, like, sure, you might need extra expertise as a instructor however you are not an SLP. I’m one. And so like…
00:16:01 NIkki: Yeah, I really like that and serious about it isn’t about expertise degree, proper? Typically what it’s is what’s it that you simply’re right here to assist assist? As their SLP, I am right here to assist this youngster in all of those methods. That is my objective and that is how I wish to assist collaborate with you.
00:16:19 Hallie: Are you able to share like a win or a hit story with somebody that you’ve got labored with that somebody perhaps got here in uncertain of themselves and blossomed?
00:16:29 Hylan: Yeah, so we even have a number of that we might like to share. So now we have labored with many scientific fellows all through the years and one in every of them got here in, I am going to form of share one about one particularly that I labored somewhat bit extra carefully with. She got here in terrified. She was eager to know the entire information. She was wanting me to show her from day one precisely what to do with each youngster, each prognosis. And that’s pure, proper? That is how we really feel as a scientific fellow is,
simply inform me what to do versus serving to me with essential pondering.
00:17:00 Hylan: And by the point she completed her scientific fellowship, she was capable of confidently work with any youngster, any age, any prognosis. She felt like she had the essential pondering abilities to have the ability to assist any household, guardian teaching. And now she is actively working a complete remedy division. Yeah, and he or she’s supporting OTs, PTs, and SLPs. And due to, she nonetheless attributes her success to us and our mentorship supporting her in her scientific fellowship as a result of she felt so assured submit her scientific fellowship along with her scientific abilities that she continued to thrive in different areas of the speech language pathology world. She turned a specialist in numerous areas after which she was capable of tackle her personal CF and now’s serving to run a complete rehabilitation division.
00:17:48 Hylan: And so we’re so pleased with that. That is one in every of many tales that we’re so pleased with that we may share. I do know Nikki may most likely share some as nicely, however to go from being a scientific fellow who was so nervous and scared and we had been capable of present her with the assist that we had been capable of present and the entire scientific fellows who had been and supply that roadmap and provides them these instruments and that recommendation to now she’s managing a division. It simply means rather a lot to us to see that important change in confidence in that success.
00:18:20 Hallie: That is so wonderful. Is there any final bit of recommendation you’ll give to somebody listening that’s getting into of their CF or in the course of their CF and questioning if they’ll survive their CF or these which might be
mentoring grad college students or CS for any recommendation that you simply give to somebody who’s feeling like they want some assist.
00:18:36 NIkki: Yeah, I believe I might actually pause and attempt to look inward at what’s it that you simply want assist with? What are the issues which might be so vital for you to have the ability to discover your worth inside our area? And the way do you get that assist? So actually getting clear with your self on what you want to have the ability to thrive inside our profession. As a result of we do not wish to simply survive, we do wish to thrive inside it. There are such a lot of great issues. And to have the ability to assist our children, we have to present up excited and motivated and completely happy. And we have to discover a line that does not create burnout.
00:19:11 NIkki: So if you’re in that house, pause, look inward, and actually write down what’s it that you simply want.
to have the ability to transfer ahead after which discover these helps. Attain out to us should you’re feeling like, do not even know. We will work with you and enable you to determine the ache factors and with plans you want in place to have the ability to really feel higher as a result of it would not must really feel like that. And it is understanding is that this one thing that you could bodily change and work by inside your setting? Is the setting one thing that fills your soul?
Or is that this one thing that we have to work by? Is that this the fitting setting for you? And if not, what’s subsequent? What setting throughout the speech remedy area?
00:19:52 NIkki: As a result of we’re so fortunate inside this area to have so many alternative avenues that basically discover form of our area of interest and work out what works for us and the place we actually groove with. Hylan may not, Hylan and are very aligned, however we’d discover somebody who would not love pediatrics as a lot as they actually love working with the medical inhabitants with adults. And so determining, are you aligned along with your targets? And if not, how do you get aligned?
00:20:20 Hallie: I really like that. The place can everybody study extra about you guys and the whole lot it’s a must to provide?
00:20:25 Hylan: Sure, you’ll find us on Instagram at Mentorship Collective, in addition to TikTok @Mentorship Collective, after which our web site mentorshipcollective.com. We even have a number of applications that we have additionally simply launched which might be useful for all ranges of CFs that contain skilled improvement hours. The latest one is known as Pediatric Pathways. And this can be a program the place we use a complete communication home framework that’s distinctive to us that can assist you really feel assured growing targets and a plan of care and supporting tough conversations with households. Collaborators for any youngster, any age, any prognosis. So you may discover that lately posted on our web site in addition to entry to all of our CF assist applications, our management and coaching applications, and our free sources as a result of we do have plenty of these.
00:21:12 Hylan: We encourage everybody to additionally join our electronic mail subscriber record as a result of we ship out weekly emails as nicely with remedy ideas in addition to data on new program releases and simply how one can arrange even only a assembly with us to talk simply to get to know us and to study like Nikki mentioned extra about how we will assist you in your profession.
00:21:31 Hallie: I really like that. Thanks guys a lot. We’ll have hyperlinks to the whole lot within the present notes and to not fear. I all the time finish my episodes with a joke since jokes are enjoyable and builds tons of rapport. What do name a drained tent?
00:21:46 Hylan: A drained tent.
00:21:49 NIkki: I don’t know.
00:21:51 Hylan: I do not know.
00:21:52 Hallie: A sleepy teepee.
00:21:53 NIkki: Oh my God. That was an excellent one.
00:21:58 Hallie: I’ve like 40 jokes are right here each week for you. I’ve not missed one. Possibly I’ve repeated a number of as a result of there’s solely so many jokes on this planet. Thanks guys so, a lot. Go examine them out on Instagram. Go take a look at their web site and bear in mind everybody, you are not alone. You might be superior. And till subsequent week, keep out of hassle.
22:24 Hallie: Thanks a lot for tuning in to a different episode of SLP Espresso Discuss. It means the world to me that you simply’re tuning in each week and getting the jolt of inspiration you want. You’ll find the entire hyperlinks and data talked about on this episode at my web site, speechtimefun.com. Remember to observe the present so you do not miss any future episodes. And when you’re there, it will imply the world to me. In case you would take a number of seconds and go away me an sincere evaluate. See you subsequent week with one other episode stuffed with enjoyable and inspiration from one SLP to a different. Have enjoyable guys.
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